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Re: [NABOKV-L] THOUGHTS: JM to MR on Catamites, Pope & PF
From:
"jansymello" <jansy@aetern.us>
Date:
Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:01:14 -0300
To:
"Vladimir Nabokov Forum" <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>

MR: I realize that it is dangerous to expect that VN was somehow referencing multiple texts with the same allusion. If one plugs the phrase "pale fire" into the Google Books engine
and limits the results to those occuring before 1950, you get 610 different
sources that include that phrase.
JM: I hope there were frequent entries for Ganymede, cup bearers and catamites as we can find them in "ADA", although I cannot remember anyone giving them the importance they might have. 
 
MR: Nevertheless, I want to throw one of  them into the mix... from Alexander Pope's translation of _The First Book of Statius His Thebais_.
1. Laius, before marrying Jocasta, became infatuated with the young boy
Chrysippus. He kidnapped Chrysippus, carried him off and raped him.
Chrysippus was his catamite...
 
JM: The malediction weighing on Laius was not provoked by his having raped Chrysippus.
It resulted from Laius's having broken the laws of hospitality ( Chrysippus was the son Pelops, the King who received Laius as a guest in his house).
Wikipedia presents a different story, closer to the one MR has emphasized ( related to sexual crimes):
Chrysippus was a divine hero of Elis in the Peloponnesus, a young boy, the bastard son of Pelops and the nymph Axioche. He was kidnapped by the Theban Laius, his tutor, who was escorting him to the Nemean Games, where the boy planned to compete. Instead, Laius ran away with him to Thebes and raped him, a crime for which he, his city and his family were later punished by the gods.


To:
"Vladimir Nabokov Forum" <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>



Three references to the curse laid on Laius and to the story of Chrysippos, on a quick scan by "google", aiming at the contradicting views ( Jansy Mello)
 
One: 
In exile Laius lived with PELOPS [pee'lops], king of Elis, whose son CHRYSIPPUS [kreye-sip'pus], or CHRYSIPPOS, he abducted. For this transgression of the laws of hospitality, Pelops invoked a curse on Laius and his family.
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Apollo’s oracle at Delphi warned that their son would kill his father as the working out of the curse of Pelops. OEDIPUS Laius ordered a shepherd to expose ...Cf. www.us.oup.com/us/companion.websites/9780195308044/studentresources/chapters/ch17/?view=usa - 25k -
 
TWO: 
Breakfast with Pandora: Oedipus and the writing curse- [ Traduzir esta página ]
His father Laius had violated the hospitality of his host, Pelops, ... Whether or not Sophocles believed in the all-powerful curses of the gods, ...
myth.typepad.com/breakfast/2006/10/oedipus_and_the.html - 39k -
 
THREE: 
[PDF] Moral and Epistemic Ambiguity in Oedipus Rex
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Sophocles’ Oedipus Rex contains the following tension: if Oedipus was ... why is there a curse on Laius? Sophocles mentions neither the curse nor its ...
www.janushead.org/9-1/Carel.pdf -
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