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Re: "In another part of the forest": PF,
ADA and...a sighting (VN on White)
ADA and...a sighting (VN on White)
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There is another Shakespeareanism here: from I Henry IV, 2, 5, ll 438-439:
Falstaff: Banish plump Jack and banish all the world
Prince: * I do; I will.*
Especially in the context of the line from *Ada*, this seems pretty clear
to me.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Barrie Akin <ba@taxbar.com> wrote:
> Try Act III Scene IV of "As You Like It" - stage direction.
>
> Barrie Akin
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 12 Sep 2012, at 03:28, "Jansy" <jansy@AETERN.US> wrote:
>
> *I was planning to compare a collection of four-dimensional sentences
> about Time found in "Engleby," by Sebastian Faulks (such as “Until we can
> navigate in time, I'm not sure that we can prove that what happened is real.”),
> and Van Veen's linear musings in ADA, plus their developments in
> the "Texture of Time," when I noticed a set of unprecedent quotation marks
> (underlined below):*
>
> **
>
> *‘But this,’ exclaimed Ada, ‘is certain, this is reality, this is pure
> fact — this forest, this moss, your hand, the ladybird on my leg, this
> cannot be taken away, can it? (it will, it was). This has all come
> together here, no matter how the paths twisted, and fooled each other,
> and got fouled up, they inevitably met here!’*
>
> *‘We must now find our bicycles,’ said Van, ‘we are lost "in another part
> of the forest."’*
>
> *‘Oh, let’s not return yet,’ she cried, ‘oh, wait.’*
>
> *‘But I want to make sure of our whereabouts and whenabouts,’ said Van.
> ‘It is a philosophical need.’*
>
> **
>
> *To find what kind of quote they might be, I searched the annotations by
> the Kyoto Reading Circle, but got not the answer I was investigating:*
> **
> *153.32-33: 'in another part of the forest': Van already regards this
> forest philosophically as being both a temporal and spatial one, while Ada
> regards reality as something to enjoy. Cf."But, my love, my Van, I’m
> physical, horribly physical, I don’t know, I’m frank,qu’y puis-je? " **(I.
> 25) 154.1: I want to make sure of our whereabouts and whenabouts: Though
> Ada is unwilling to leave the special merging of space and time that they
> have arrived at, Van insists on the philosophical need for distinguishing
> time and space--anticipating his lifework, Texture of Time.*
> **
> * However, I came across two other entries offered by a
> search-machine automaton. *
> *The first one, a N-L archive message by Mike Donohue in 2005, highlights
> this simple sentence, placing it somehow in connection to the "whereabouts"
> of the crown jewels in Pale Fire !
> * *LISTSERV 16.0 - NABOKV-L Archives*<http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=nabokov%20%22in%20another%20part%20of%20the%20forest%22&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDYQFjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Flistserv.ucsb.edu%2Flsv-cgi-bin%2Fwa%3FA2%3Dind0505%26L%3Dnabokv-l%26D%3D0%26X%3D412B88783A627D4E64%26Y%3Dnabokv-l%2540utk.edu%26P%3D34424&ei=umFPUN2TEYHz0gHXn4CAAg&usg=AFQjCNHMkNxMJPIFjUeHUJtMqacLEgiToA>
> * https://listserv.ucsb.edu/lsv-cgi-bin/wa?A2...L...l... **"Then the King
> escapes. He is dropped by Odon 'at the edge of the Mandevil Forest'
> (139).... Charles remembers **'the times he had picnicked hereabouts--in
> another part of the forest but on the same mountainside, and higher up,
> as a boy, on the boulderfield where Mr. Campbell had once twisted an ankle
> and had to be
> carried down, smoking his pipe, by two husky attendants'." *
> **
> *The second one had all the trappings of a reference, but ... could VN,
> at this point, be indicating the title of Edmund White's collection of
> essays?* The dates are askew ( White's debut novel was published in 1973),
> unless it happens in Terra. *
> *Edmund White - **In Another Part of the Forest: : An Anthology of Gay
> Short Fiction (1994)*
> *Read more: **http://www.answers.com/topic/white-edmund#ixzz26B7UjY3I*<http://www.answers.com/topic/white-edmund#ixzz26B7UjY3I>
>
>
> *Google surprises! *
>
> **
>
> .........................................................................................................................................
> ** - Wikipedia: *
> *"His debut novel, Forgetting Elena (1973), set on an island, can be read
> as commenting on gay culture in a coded manner. The American/Russian
> novelist **Vladimir Nabokov*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Nabokov>
> * called it "a marvelous book."[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_White#cite_note-2>
> *
> [ '^ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_White#cite_ref-2> *Edmund
> White, City Boy, 2009. ("Gerald Clarke..had gone to Montreux to do an
> interview with Nabokov for Esquire, and followed the usual drill...On his
> last evening in Switzerland he confronted Nabokov over drinks: 'So whom do
> you like?' he asked—since the great man had so far only listed his dislikes
> and aversions. 'Edmund White' Nabokov responded. 'He wrote Forgetting Elena.
> It’s a marvelous book." He’d then gone on to list titles by<http://bloomsburybooks.tumblr.com/post/269220622/how-did-one-edit-nabokov> John
> Updike <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Updike> and Delmore Schwartz<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmore_Schwartz>(particularly the short story “In Dreams Begin Responsibilities”), as well
> as Robbe-Grillet’s Jealousy among a few others.").]*
>
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Falstaff: Banish plump Jack and banish all the world
Prince: * I do; I will.*
Especially in the context of the line from *Ada*, this seems pretty clear
to me.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Barrie Akin <ba@taxbar.com> wrote:
> Try Act III Scene IV of "As You Like It" - stage direction.
>
> Barrie Akin
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 12 Sep 2012, at 03:28, "Jansy" <jansy@AETERN.US> wrote:
>
> *I was planning to compare a collection of four-dimensional sentences
> about Time found in "Engleby," by Sebastian Faulks (such as “Until we can
> navigate in time, I'm not sure that we can prove that what happened is real.”),
> and Van Veen's linear musings in ADA, plus their developments in
> the "Texture of Time," when I noticed a set of unprecedent quotation marks
> (underlined below):*
>
> **
>
> *‘But this,’ exclaimed Ada, ‘is certain, this is reality, this is pure
> fact — this forest, this moss, your hand, the ladybird on my leg, this
> cannot be taken away, can it? (it will, it was). This has all come
> together here, no matter how the paths twisted, and fooled each other,
> and got fouled up, they inevitably met here!’*
>
> *‘We must now find our bicycles,’ said Van, ‘we are lost "in another part
> of the forest."’*
>
> *‘Oh, let’s not return yet,’ she cried, ‘oh, wait.’*
>
> *‘But I want to make sure of our whereabouts and whenabouts,’ said Van.
> ‘It is a philosophical need.’*
>
> **
>
> *To find what kind of quote they might be, I searched the annotations by
> the Kyoto Reading Circle, but got not the answer I was investigating:*
> **
> *153.32-33: 'in another part of the forest': Van already regards this
> forest philosophically as being both a temporal and spatial one, while Ada
> regards reality as something to enjoy. Cf."But, my love, my Van, I’m
> physical, horribly physical, I don’t know, I’m frank,qu’y puis-je? " **(I.
> 25) 154.1: I want to make sure of our whereabouts and whenabouts: Though
> Ada is unwilling to leave the special merging of space and time that they
> have arrived at, Van insists on the philosophical need for distinguishing
> time and space--anticipating his lifework, Texture of Time.*
> **
> * However, I came across two other entries offered by a
> search-machine automaton. *
> *The first one, a N-L archive message by Mike Donohue in 2005, highlights
> this simple sentence, placing it somehow in connection to the "whereabouts"
> of the crown jewels in Pale Fire !
> * *LISTSERV 16.0 - NABOKV-L Archives*<http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=nabokov%20%22in%20another%20part%20of%20the%20forest%22&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDYQFjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Flistserv.ucsb.edu%2Flsv-cgi-bin%2Fwa%3FA2%3Dind0505%26L%3Dnabokv-l%26D%3D0%26X%3D412B88783A627D4E64%26Y%3Dnabokv-l%2540utk.edu%26P%3D34424&ei=umFPUN2TEYHz0gHXn4CAAg&usg=AFQjCNHMkNxMJPIFjUeHUJtMqacLEgiToA>
> * https://listserv.ucsb.edu/lsv-cgi-bin/wa?A2...L...l... **"Then the King
> escapes. He is dropped by Odon 'at the edge of the Mandevil Forest'
> (139).... Charles remembers **'the times he had picnicked hereabouts--in
> another part of the forest but on the same mountainside, and higher up,
> as a boy, on the boulderfield where Mr. Campbell had once twisted an ankle
> and had to be
> carried down, smoking his pipe, by two husky attendants'." *
> **
> *The second one had all the trappings of a reference, but ... could VN,
> at this point, be indicating the title of Edmund White's collection of
> essays?* The dates are askew ( White's debut novel was published in 1973),
> unless it happens in Terra. *
> *Edmund White - **In Another Part of the Forest: : An Anthology of Gay
> Short Fiction (1994)*
> *Read more: **http://www.answers.com/topic/white-edmund#ixzz26B7UjY3I*<http://www.answers.com/topic/white-edmund#ixzz26B7UjY3I>
>
>
> *Google surprises! *
>
> **
>
> .........................................................................................................................................
> ** - Wikipedia: *
> *"His debut novel, Forgetting Elena (1973), set on an island, can be read
> as commenting on gay culture in a coded manner. The American/Russian
> novelist **Vladimir Nabokov*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Nabokov>
> * called it "a marvelous book."[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_White#cite_note-2>
> *
> [ '^ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_White#cite_ref-2> *Edmund
> White, City Boy, 2009. ("Gerald Clarke..had gone to Montreux to do an
> interview with Nabokov for Esquire, and followed the usual drill...On his
> last evening in Switzerland he confronted Nabokov over drinks: 'So whom do
> you like?' he asked—since the great man had so far only listed his dislikes
> and aversions. 'Edmund White' Nabokov responded. 'He wrote Forgetting Elena.
> It’s a marvelous book." He’d then gone on to list titles by<http://bloomsburybooks.tumblr.com/post/269220622/how-did-one-edit-nabokov> John
> Updike <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Updike> and Delmore Schwartz<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmore_Schwartz>(particularly the short story “In Dreams Begin Responsibilities”), as well
> as Robbe-Grillet’s Jealousy among a few others.").]*
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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