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From: "Jansy Berndt de Souza Mello" <jansy@aetern.us>
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> Who wrote in the subject?s title "Pale Fire--- Gravida, Ardis" , instead
of
> "Gradiva, Ardis" ? This is another gravid, pregnant, association...
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EDITOR. I CONFESS. I DID I BUT QUITE UNCONSCIOUSLY.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:06 PM
> Subject: Fw: Pale Fire---Gravida, Ardis
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jansy Berndt de Souza Mello" <jansy@aetern.us>
> > >
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> > lines) -----------------
> > > I?ve just exchanged a few messages with Carolyn Kunin because I
> > thought
> > > I?d found a reference to Gradiva in " Glory" ( penguin ed. pag 44) .
> We?d
> > > been privately discussing Gradiva after an exhibit she attended some
> time
> > > ago. She also told me about having once and by mistake exchanged the
> words
> > > Ardis and Gradiva. I wrote back to her telling that also Gradus ( or
> who
> > > knows, Sudarg?) might have been linked with Ardis and Gradiva, since
> the
> > > name Gradiva means " one that is stepping forward" and has ( so they
> > > informed me using Jacques Lacan ) the root "grad" in association to
> > > "agrression".
> > > This "stepping forward" is an aggressive step ( such as R.Calasso
> tells
> > > us happened with Achilles, who then refrained and began what Calasso
> > > considered to be the first verbal exchange in lieu of an attack...) .
Of
> > > course, Gradus may also a point to "degree, step or measuring system )
> > > Jansy
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> > > To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:32 PM
> > > Subject: Fw: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3527 Pale Fire
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "pynchon-l-digest" <owner-pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
> > > > To: <pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:00 AM
> > > > Subject: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3527
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > pynchon-l-digest Tuesday, September 2 2003 Volume 02 :
> > Number
> > > > 3527
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:48:31 -0400
> > > > > From: "Don Corathers" <gumbo@fuse.net>
> > > > > Subject: Re: NPPF Comm 2: My bedroom, part 2
> > > > >
> > > > > I wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sudarg of Bokay. A reflection of the name of a glassmaker we
know,
> > > > > engraved
> > > > > > on the surface of a "really fantastic mirror." It is
problematical
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > mirror was made for Charles's grandfather, presumably quite some
> > time
> > > > ago.
> > > > > > That would seem to make it impossible for our Jacob Gradus, born
> in
> > > 1915
> > > > > and
> > > > > > just 21at the time Fleur gazes at her reflection in the mirror,
to
> > be
> > > > its
> > > > > > craftsman. Perhaps it was made by his grandfather. Is Kinbote,
the
> > > > expert
> > > > > on
> > > > > > surnames who just a few notes ago was lecturing us about
variants,
> > > > unaware
> > > > > > of this reference to Gradus? He seems to be.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The question of when Sudarg lived and when the mirror was made is
> > coyly
> > > > > addressed in his index entry, which also seems to show no
awareness
> on
> > > > > Kinbote's part of the Gradus connection:
> > > >
> > > > > Sudarg of Bokay, a mirror maker of genius, the patron saint of
Bokay
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > mountains of Zembla, 80; life span not known.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > > End of pynchon-l-digest V2 #3527
> > > > > ********************************
> > > > >
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> > > > > with "unsubscribe pynchon-l-digest" in the message body.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From: "Jansy Berndt de Souza Mello" <jansy@aetern.us>
>
> ---------------- Message requiring your approval (118
lines) ------------------
> Who wrote in the subject?s title "Pale Fire--- Gravida, Ardis" , instead
of
> "Gradiva, Ardis" ? This is another gravid, pregnant, association...
------------------------
EDITOR. I CONFESS. I DID I BUT QUITE UNCONSCIOUSLY.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:06 PM
> Subject: Fw: Pale Fire---Gravida, Ardis
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jansy Berndt de Souza Mello" <jansy@aetern.us>
> > >
> > > ----------------- Message requiring your approval (85
> > lines) -----------------
> > > I?ve just exchanged a few messages with Carolyn Kunin because I
> > thought
> > > I?d found a reference to Gradiva in " Glory" ( penguin ed. pag 44) .
> We?d
> > > been privately discussing Gradiva after an exhibit she attended some
> time
> > > ago. She also told me about having once and by mistake exchanged the
> words
> > > Ardis and Gradiva. I wrote back to her telling that also Gradus ( or
> who
> > > knows, Sudarg?) might have been linked with Ardis and Gradiva, since
> the
> > > name Gradiva means " one that is stepping forward" and has ( so they
> > > informed me using Jacques Lacan ) the root "grad" in association to
> > > "agrression".
> > > This "stepping forward" is an aggressive step ( such as R.Calasso
> tells
> > > us happened with Achilles, who then refrained and began what Calasso
> > > considered to be the first verbal exchange in lieu of an attack...) .
Of
> > > course, Gradus may also a point to "degree, step or measuring system )
> > > Jansy
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> > > To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:32 PM
> > > Subject: Fw: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3527 Pale Fire
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "pynchon-l-digest" <owner-pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
> > > > To: <pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:00 AM
> > > > Subject: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3527
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > pynchon-l-digest Tuesday, September 2 2003 Volume 02 :
> > Number
> > > > 3527
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:48:31 -0400
> > > > > From: "Don Corathers" <gumbo@fuse.net>
> > > > > Subject: Re: NPPF Comm 2: My bedroom, part 2
> > > > >
> > > > > I wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sudarg of Bokay. A reflection of the name of a glassmaker we
know,
> > > > > engraved
> > > > > > on the surface of a "really fantastic mirror." It is
problematical
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > mirror was made for Charles's grandfather, presumably quite some
> > time
> > > > ago.
> > > > > > That would seem to make it impossible for our Jacob Gradus, born
> in
> > > 1915
> > > > > and
> > > > > > just 21at the time Fleur gazes at her reflection in the mirror,
to
> > be
> > > > its
> > > > > > craftsman. Perhaps it was made by his grandfather. Is Kinbote,
the
> > > > expert
> > > > > on
> > > > > > surnames who just a few notes ago was lecturing us about
variants,
> > > > unaware
> > > > > > of this reference to Gradus? He seems to be.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The question of when Sudarg lived and when the mirror was made is
> > coyly
> > > > > addressed in his index entry, which also seems to show no
awareness
> on
> > > > > Kinbote's part of the Gradus connection:
> > > >
> > > > > Sudarg of Bokay, a mirror maker of genius, the patron saint of
Bokay
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > mountains of Zembla, 80; life span not known.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > > End of pynchon-l-digest V2 #3527
> > > > > ********************************
> > > > >
> > > > > To unsubscribe, send a message to waste@waste.org
> > > > > with "unsubscribe pynchon-l-digest" in the message body.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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