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From: "pynchon-l-digest" <owner-pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:20 PM
Subject: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3507
>
> pynchon-l-digest Tuesday, August 26 2003 Volume 02 : Number
3507
>
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:51:03 -0700
> From: "Vincent A. Maeder" <vmaeder@cycn-phx.com>
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:55:39 -0700
> From: "Vincent A. Maeder" <vmaeder@cycn-phx.com>
> Subject: RE: NPPF hiatus?
>
> Okey dokey, all. Then here's the new sked. I agree though, I am
> dogging it right now... V.
>
> NPPF Schedule:
>
> Sept. 2: pp. 93-113 through lines 86-90 commentary - Don Corathers
>
> Sept. 8: pp. 114-135 through line 130 commentary - Jasper Fidget
>
> Sept. 15: pp. 135-154 through line 171 commentary - M. Joseph
>
> Sept. 22: pp. 154-174 through line 275 commentary - Vincent A. Maeder
> and Perry Sams
>
> Sept. 29: pp. 174-194 through line 376 commentary - Scott Badger
>
> Oct. 6: pp. 194-215 through lines 433-434 commentary -- Bekah
>
> Oct. 13: pp. 215-235 through lines 609-614 commentary - David Morris
>
> Oct. 20: pp. 235-254 through lines 734-735 commentary -- Paul Mackin
>
> Oct. 27: pp. 254-273 through line 949 commentary - Elaine M.M. Bell and
> Terrance
>
> Nov. 3: pp. 273-301 - Heikki and Otto
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pynchon-l@waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l@waste.org] On
> > Behalf Of Jasper Fidget
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:48 AM
> > To: pynchon-l@waste.org
> > Subject: RE: NPPF hiatus?
> >
> > > On Behalf Of Don Corathers
> > >
> > > We are becalmed, captain. The NPPF seems to have slipped into an
> > > undeclared
> > > late August recess. There's been one reply to the notes I posted
> last
> > > night,
> > > and there were scant few to Jasper's substitute hosting of the first
> > piece
> > > of the Commentary. (Which I lost to a server idiosyncrasy, by the
> way,
> > and
> > > I'd be grateful if somebody would either repost Jasper's notes or
> > forward
> > > them to me offlist.)
> > >
> > > So okay, unless I hear an outcry from the house, which doesn't seem
> very
> > > likely at this point, I'm going to hold off posting notes on the
> rest of
> > > my
> > > section until there are more (some?) PF readers present. Say, after
> > Labor
> > > Day? All right?
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> >
> > Dog days of summer have given us an irresolute compass, Mr. Corathers?
> > I'm
> > content to wait on the next section until after you've completed yours
> (or
> > until someone cries, "Whale!") -- push everything back a week then?
> >
> > I tried to forward you my notes on Saturday, but I guess they too were
> > lost.
> > Here they are in the archives, everything I posted for the first
> > commentary
> > section:
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: C.17: aka Jack Degree
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84688
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: C.17: aka Ravus, Ravenstone, and d'Argus
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84687
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: C.17: Gradus ad Parnassum
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84689
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: C.12: Angus MacDiarmid
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84718
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.1-4 - C.42
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84764
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.47-48 (part one)
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84766
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.47-48 (part two)
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84779
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.47-48 (part three)
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84780
> >
> > Jasper
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:15:02 -0700
> From: "s~Z" <keithsz@concentric.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF: Notes C.1-4 - C.42
>
> >>> "TSOTWS" being metaphorical, but not necesarily the event in his
> bedroom, and
> not a literal event. <<<
>
> Don't you have to understand the literal meaning of the words to
understand
> the other thing they are pointing to? Surely there is a reason the literal
> event is placed in a canto which locates the event in his childhood in his
> bedroom.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:01:47 -0400
> From: <gumbo@fuse.net>
> Subject: Re: RE: NPPF hiatus?
>
> I hope this schedule revision is okay with everybody. I note that things
have picked up agreeably today, but I imagine things are going to be pretty
quiet over the holiday, at least among our United States correspondents,
what with all that beer and barbecue and stuff. Lovely, innit, that we
celebrate work by indulging in indolence.
>
> For some reason, Jasper, I'm not receiving some of your posts to the list.
I didn't see that "irresolute compass" note--excellent diagnosis, by the
way--until it arrived just now as part of Vincent's post on the schedule.
>
> Don
>
>
> >
> > From: "Vincent A. Maeder" <vmaeder@cycn-phx.com>
> > Date: 2003/08/26 Tue AM 10:55:39 EDT
> > To: "'Jasper Fidget'" <jasper@hatguild.org>, pynchon-l@waste.org
> > Subject: RE: NPPF hiatus?
> >
> > Okey dokey, all. Then here's the new sked. I agree though, I am
> > dogging it right now... V.
> >
> > NPPF Schedule:
> >
> > Sept. 2: pp. 93-113 through lines 86-90 commentary - Don Corathers
> >
> > Sept. 8: pp. 114-135 through line 130 commentary - Jasper Fidget
> >
> > Sept. 15: pp. 135-154 through line 171 commentary - M. Joseph
> >
> > Sept. 22: pp. 154-174 through line 275 commentary - Vincent A. Maeder
> > and Perry Sams
> >
> > Sept. 29: pp. 174-194 through line 376 commentary - Scott Badger
> >
> > Oct. 6: pp. 194-215 through lines 433-434 commentary -- Bekah
> >
> > Oct. 13: pp. 215-235 through lines 609-614 commentary - David Morris
> >
> > Oct. 20: pp. 235-254 through lines 734-735 commentary -- Paul Mackin
> >
> > Oct. 27: pp. 254-273 through line 949 commentary - Elaine M.M. Bell and
> > Terrance
> >
> > Nov. 3: pp. 273-301 - Heikki and Otto
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-pynchon-l@waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l@waste.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Jasper Fidget
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:48 AM
> > > To: pynchon-l@waste.org
> > > Subject: RE: NPPF hiatus?
> > >
> > > > On Behalf Of Don Corathers
> > > >
> > > > We are becalmed, captain. The NPPF seems to have slipped into an
> > > > undeclared
> > > > late August recess. There's been one reply to the notes I posted
> > last
> > > > night,
> > > > and there were scant few to Jasper's substitute hosting of the first
> > > piece
> > > > of the Commentary. (Which I lost to a server idiosyncrasy, by the
> > way,
> > > and
> > > > I'd be grateful if somebody would either repost Jasper's notes or
> > > forward
> > > > them to me offlist.)
> > > >
> > > > So okay, unless I hear an outcry from the house, which doesn't seem
> > very
> > > > likely at this point, I'm going to hold off posting notes on the
> > rest of
> > > > my
> > > > section until there are more (some?) PF readers present. Say, after
> > > Labor
> > > > Day? All right?
> > > >
> > > > Don
> > > >
> > >
> > > Dog days of summer have given us an irresolute compass, Mr. Corathers?
> > > I'm
> > > content to wait on the next section until after you've completed yours
> > (or
> > > until someone cries, "Whale!") -- push everything back a week then?
> > >
> > > I tried to forward you my notes on Saturday, but I guess they too were
> > > lost.
> > > Here they are in the archives, everything I posted for the first
> > > commentary
> > > section:
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: C.17: aka Jack Degree
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84688
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: C.17: aka Ravus, Ravenstone, and d'Argus
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84687
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: C.17: Gradus ad Parnassum
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84689
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: C.12: Angus MacDiarmid
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84718
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.1-4 - C.42
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84764
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.47-48 (part one)
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84766
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.47-48 (part two)
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84779
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.47-48 (part three)
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84780
> > >
> > > Jasper
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:05:24 -0400
> From: Terrance <lycidas2@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF: Notes C.1-4 - C.42
>
> >
> > Don't you have to understand the literal meaning of the words to
understand
> > the other thing they are pointing to? Surely there is a reason the
literal
> > event is placed in a canto which locates the event in his childhood in
his
> > bedroom.
>
>
>
>
> Canto One opens with a reflection on the poet's childhood.
>
> Canto Two opens with a reflection on youth.
>
> Canto Three with a reflection on marriage and family.
>
> Canto Four with a reflection on artistic production.
>
> But of course they overflow and flow over one another.
>
>
> One reason that comes to mind is that poet wants to say that he has
> always been a poet.
> He's got a romantic poet's sight, insight, view, a child's view.
>
> Canto One is quite visual and reflective in a childish romantic sort of
> way. no?
>
> He was not merely the shadow of the wax wing
> he was the smudge of ashen fluff
> and he flew in a reflected sky.
>
> And the use he makes of the glass is quite imaginative
>
> from inside the glass he'd duplicate himself
> he'd uncurtain the night
> and with his imaginative view of things
> hang the furniture above the grass
> and when the snow covered his view of the lawn
> stand the chair and bed out on the snow in a crystal land.
>
> Next, he talks about retaking the falling flakes of snow
> retake, in the photographic sense I presume, but also in the romantic
> sense of recapture ... and his sense that the night unites the viewer
> and the view sounds an awful lot like Yeat's dancer and the the dance.
>
> shadow, azure, window, ashen, reflected, .... all eyes and visions ....
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:26:24 -0500
> From: "MdShrk1" <mdshrk1@writeonill.org>
> Subject: Newbie Mistakes
>
> It seems that I only sent my comments to you, Vince. Do you think the rest
> of the list would be interested?
>
> Tim
>>
> __________________________________
>>
From: "pynchon-l-digest" <owner-pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
To: <pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:20 PM
Subject: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3507
>
> pynchon-l-digest Tuesday, August 26 2003 Volume 02 : Number
3507
>
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:51:03 -0700
> From: "Vincent A. Maeder" <vmaeder@cycn-phx.com>
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:55:39 -0700
> From: "Vincent A. Maeder" <vmaeder@cycn-phx.com>
> Subject: RE: NPPF hiatus?
>
> Okey dokey, all. Then here's the new sked. I agree though, I am
> dogging it right now... V.
>
> NPPF Schedule:
>
> Sept. 2: pp. 93-113 through lines 86-90 commentary - Don Corathers
>
> Sept. 8: pp. 114-135 through line 130 commentary - Jasper Fidget
>
> Sept. 15: pp. 135-154 through line 171 commentary - M. Joseph
>
> Sept. 22: pp. 154-174 through line 275 commentary - Vincent A. Maeder
> and Perry Sams
>
> Sept. 29: pp. 174-194 through line 376 commentary - Scott Badger
>
> Oct. 6: pp. 194-215 through lines 433-434 commentary -- Bekah
>
> Oct. 13: pp. 215-235 through lines 609-614 commentary - David Morris
>
> Oct. 20: pp. 235-254 through lines 734-735 commentary -- Paul Mackin
>
> Oct. 27: pp. 254-273 through line 949 commentary - Elaine M.M. Bell and
> Terrance
>
> Nov. 3: pp. 273-301 - Heikki and Otto
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pynchon-l@waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l@waste.org] On
> > Behalf Of Jasper Fidget
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:48 AM
> > To: pynchon-l@waste.org
> > Subject: RE: NPPF hiatus?
> >
> > > On Behalf Of Don Corathers
> > >
> > > We are becalmed, captain. The NPPF seems to have slipped into an
> > > undeclared
> > > late August recess. There's been one reply to the notes I posted
> last
> > > night,
> > > and there were scant few to Jasper's substitute hosting of the first
> > piece
> > > of the Commentary. (Which I lost to a server idiosyncrasy, by the
> way,
> > and
> > > I'd be grateful if somebody would either repost Jasper's notes or
> > forward
> > > them to me offlist.)
> > >
> > > So okay, unless I hear an outcry from the house, which doesn't seem
> very
> > > likely at this point, I'm going to hold off posting notes on the
> rest of
> > > my
> > > section until there are more (some?) PF readers present. Say, after
> > Labor
> > > Day? All right?
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> >
> > Dog days of summer have given us an irresolute compass, Mr. Corathers?
> > I'm
> > content to wait on the next section until after you've completed yours
> (or
> > until someone cries, "Whale!") -- push everything back a week then?
> >
> > I tried to forward you my notes on Saturday, but I guess they too were
> > lost.
> > Here they are in the archives, everything I posted for the first
> > commentary
> > section:
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: C.17: aka Jack Degree
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84688
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: C.17: aka Ravus, Ravenstone, and d'Argus
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84687
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: C.17: Gradus ad Parnassum
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84689
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: C.12: Angus MacDiarmid
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84718
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.1-4 - C.42
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84764
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.47-48 (part one)
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84766
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.47-48 (part two)
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84779
> >
> > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.47-48 (part three)
> > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84780
> >
> > Jasper
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:15:02 -0700
> From: "s~Z" <keithsz@concentric.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF: Notes C.1-4 - C.42
>
> >>> "TSOTWS" being metaphorical, but not necesarily the event in his
> bedroom, and
> not a literal event. <<<
>
> Don't you have to understand the literal meaning of the words to
understand
> the other thing they are pointing to? Surely there is a reason the literal
> event is placed in a canto which locates the event in his childhood in his
> bedroom.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:01:47 -0400
> From: <gumbo@fuse.net>
> Subject: Re: RE: NPPF hiatus?
>
> I hope this schedule revision is okay with everybody. I note that things
have picked up agreeably today, but I imagine things are going to be pretty
quiet over the holiday, at least among our United States correspondents,
what with all that beer and barbecue and stuff. Lovely, innit, that we
celebrate work by indulging in indolence.
>
> For some reason, Jasper, I'm not receiving some of your posts to the list.
I didn't see that "irresolute compass" note--excellent diagnosis, by the
way--until it arrived just now as part of Vincent's post on the schedule.
>
> Don
>
>
> >
> > From: "Vincent A. Maeder" <vmaeder@cycn-phx.com>
> > Date: 2003/08/26 Tue AM 10:55:39 EDT
> > To: "'Jasper Fidget'" <jasper@hatguild.org>, pynchon-l@waste.org
> > Subject: RE: NPPF hiatus?
> >
> > Okey dokey, all. Then here's the new sked. I agree though, I am
> > dogging it right now... V.
> >
> > NPPF Schedule:
> >
> > Sept. 2: pp. 93-113 through lines 86-90 commentary - Don Corathers
> >
> > Sept. 8: pp. 114-135 through line 130 commentary - Jasper Fidget
> >
> > Sept. 15: pp. 135-154 through line 171 commentary - M. Joseph
> >
> > Sept. 22: pp. 154-174 through line 275 commentary - Vincent A. Maeder
> > and Perry Sams
> >
> > Sept. 29: pp. 174-194 through line 376 commentary - Scott Badger
> >
> > Oct. 6: pp. 194-215 through lines 433-434 commentary -- Bekah
> >
> > Oct. 13: pp. 215-235 through lines 609-614 commentary - David Morris
> >
> > Oct. 20: pp. 235-254 through lines 734-735 commentary -- Paul Mackin
> >
> > Oct. 27: pp. 254-273 through line 949 commentary - Elaine M.M. Bell and
> > Terrance
> >
> > Nov. 3: pp. 273-301 - Heikki and Otto
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-pynchon-l@waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l@waste.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Jasper Fidget
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:48 AM
> > > To: pynchon-l@waste.org
> > > Subject: RE: NPPF hiatus?
> > >
> > > > On Behalf Of Don Corathers
> > > >
> > > > We are becalmed, captain. The NPPF seems to have slipped into an
> > > > undeclared
> > > > late August recess. There's been one reply to the notes I posted
> > last
> > > > night,
> > > > and there were scant few to Jasper's substitute hosting of the first
> > > piece
> > > > of the Commentary. (Which I lost to a server idiosyncrasy, by the
> > way,
> > > and
> > > > I'd be grateful if somebody would either repost Jasper's notes or
> > > forward
> > > > them to me offlist.)
> > > >
> > > > So okay, unless I hear an outcry from the house, which doesn't seem
> > very
> > > > likely at this point, I'm going to hold off posting notes on the
> > rest of
> > > > my
> > > > section until there are more (some?) PF readers present. Say, after
> > > Labor
> > > > Day? All right?
> > > >
> > > > Don
> > > >
> > >
> > > Dog days of summer have given us an irresolute compass, Mr. Corathers?
> > > I'm
> > > content to wait on the next section until after you've completed yours
> > (or
> > > until someone cries, "Whale!") -- push everything back a week then?
> > >
> > > I tried to forward you my notes on Saturday, but I guess they too were
> > > lost.
> > > Here they are in the archives, everything I posted for the first
> > > commentary
> > > section:
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: C.17: aka Jack Degree
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84688
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: C.17: aka Ravus, Ravenstone, and d'Argus
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84687
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: C.17: Gradus ad Parnassum
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84689
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: C.12: Angus MacDiarmid
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84718
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.1-4 - C.42
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84764
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.47-48 (part one)
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84766
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.47-48 (part two)
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84779
> > >
> > > Subject: NPPF: Notes C.47-48 (part three)
> > > http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0308&msg=84780
> > >
> > > Jasper
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:05:24 -0400
> From: Terrance <lycidas2@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: NPPF: Notes C.1-4 - C.42
>
> >
> > Don't you have to understand the literal meaning of the words to
understand
> > the other thing they are pointing to? Surely there is a reason the
literal
> > event is placed in a canto which locates the event in his childhood in
his
> > bedroom.
>
>
>
>
> Canto One opens with a reflection on the poet's childhood.
>
> Canto Two opens with a reflection on youth.
>
> Canto Three with a reflection on marriage and family.
>
> Canto Four with a reflection on artistic production.
>
> But of course they overflow and flow over one another.
>
>
> One reason that comes to mind is that poet wants to say that he has
> always been a poet.
> He's got a romantic poet's sight, insight, view, a child's view.
>
> Canto One is quite visual and reflective in a childish romantic sort of
> way. no?
>
> He was not merely the shadow of the wax wing
> he was the smudge of ashen fluff
> and he flew in a reflected sky.
>
> And the use he makes of the glass is quite imaginative
>
> from inside the glass he'd duplicate himself
> he'd uncurtain the night
> and with his imaginative view of things
> hang the furniture above the grass
> and when the snow covered his view of the lawn
> stand the chair and bed out on the snow in a crystal land.
>
> Next, he talks about retaking the falling flakes of snow
> retake, in the photographic sense I presume, but also in the romantic
> sense of recapture ... and his sense that the night unites the viewer
> and the view sounds an awful lot like Yeat's dancer and the the dance.
>
> shadow, azure, window, ashen, reflected, .... all eyes and visions ....
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:26:24 -0500
> From: "MdShrk1" <mdshrk1@writeonill.org>
> Subject: Newbie Mistakes
>
> It seems that I only sent my comments to you, Vince. Do you think the rest
> of the list would be interested?
>
> Tim
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