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From: "Dane Gill" <pennyparkerpark@hotmail.com>
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> Regardless of this I would still enjoyed reading the opions of others
about
> the poem's literary value - does Nabokov consider it a work of genius, do
> youthe reader agree? I appreciate what you're saying Beau Shaw, and as
I've
> said, my opinion is already formed, however, were there nuances or
aspects
> of Pale Fire brought to my attention that has hitherto eluded me, that
> opinion may change (as it is based on little comparrison to other poems).
> Thank you Dane Gill
>
>
> >From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> >Reply-To: Vladimir Nabokov Forum <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> >To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
> >Subject: Fw: Pale Fire, the poem
> >Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:08:27 -0700
> >
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> >From: "Beau Shaw" <bs499@nyu.edu>
> >To: "Vladimir Nabokov Forum" <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:34 AM
> >Subject: Re: Pale Fire, the poem
> >
> >
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> > > I don't think your opinion of Pale Fire (the poem) should be "swayed"
by
> >our
> > > arguments! One does not "appreciate" literature (or anything for that
> > > matter, I suppose) by being instructed that it's good or not. Sapere
> >aude
> > > :)Personally, on repeated readings, it strikes me as more and more
> > > beautiful, and complex. -Beau Shaw
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: D. Barton Johnson <chtodel@cox.net>
> > > To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:05 PM
> > > Subject: Fw: Pale Fire, the poem
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dane Gill" <pennyparkerpark@hotmail.com>
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> > > > > Greetings
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the poem in the novel, Pale Fire, supposed to be a
demonstration
> >of
> > > > > poetic genuis? Is the poem itself a represntation of Shade's
> > > straitforward
> > > > > style, lacking in genuis, and just another indication of Kinbote's
> > > > madness?
> > > > > I've discussed this before (not here) to no avail. Basically what
> >I'm
> > > > asking
> > > > > is this: Did Nabokov himself think the poem Pale Fire was a work
of
> > > > genius?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've read (references elude me now - but something tells me it was
> >Boyd,
> > > > > though not sure) that Pale Fire was actually the best poetry
Nabokov
> > > could
> > > > > write. And as said in Strong Opinions, it was the most trouble
he's
> >ever
> > > > had
> > > > > with a piece of writing. I'm not very good at judging poetry
(almost
> > > never
> > > > > reading it) and certainly not ones this long (a novel in verse?)
can
> > > only
> > > > > give an invalid opinion here. Plae Fire strikes me as somewhat
> > > > typical -the
> > > > > style, the rhyming scheem- it's been done many times before. This
is
> > > > > something not present is Nabokov's novels (though he writes very
> > > > poetical).
> > > > > As you have read, my opinion is weak and can easily be swayed with
> >the
> > > > right
> > > > > arguments. This novel is so beautiful.
> > > > > Dane Gill
> > > > >
> > > > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
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From: "Dane Gill" <pennyparkerpark@hotmail.com>
> ---------------- Message requiring your approval (110
lines) ------------------
> Regardless of this I would still enjoyed reading the opions of others
about
> the poem's literary value - does Nabokov consider it a work of genius, do
> youthe reader agree? I appreciate what you're saying Beau Shaw, and as
I've
> said, my opinion is already formed, however, were there nuances or
aspects
> of Pale Fire brought to my attention that has hitherto eluded me, that
> opinion may change (as it is based on little comparrison to other poems).
> Thank you Dane Gill
>
>
> >From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> >Reply-To: Vladimir Nabokov Forum <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> >To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
> >Subject: Fw: Pale Fire, the poem
> >Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:08:27 -0700
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Beau Shaw" <bs499@nyu.edu>
> >To: "Vladimir Nabokov Forum" <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:34 AM
> >Subject: Re: Pale Fire, the poem
> >
> >
> > > This message was originally submitted by bs499@NYU.EDU to the
NABOKV-L
> >list at
> > > LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU. If you simply forward it back to the list,
using
> >a
> > > command that generates "Resent-" fields (ask your local user support
or
> >consult
> > > the documentation of your mail program if in doubt), it will be
> >distributed and
> > > the explanations you are now reading will be removed automatically.
If
> >on the
> > > other hand you edit the contributions you receive into a digest, you
> >will
> >have
> > > to remove this paragraph manually. Finally, you should be able to
> >contact the
> > > author of this message by using the normal "reply" function of
> >your
> > > program.
> > >
> > > ----------------- Message requiring your approval (53
> >lines) ------------------
> > > I don't think your opinion of Pale Fire (the poem) should be "swayed"
by
> >our
> > > arguments! One does not "appreciate" literature (or anything for that
> > > matter, I suppose) by being instructed that it's good or not. Sapere
> >aude
> > > :)Personally, on repeated readings, it strikes me as more and more
> > > beautiful, and complex. -Beau Shaw
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: D. Barton Johnson <chtodel@cox.net>
> > > To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:05 PM
> > > Subject: Fw: Pale Fire, the poem
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dane Gill" <pennyparkerpark@hotmail.com>
> > > > > ----------------- Message requiring your approval (24
> > > > lines) ------------------
> > > > > Greetings
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the poem in the novel, Pale Fire, supposed to be a
demonstration
> >of
> > > > > poetic genuis? Is the poem itself a represntation of Shade's
> > > straitforward
> > > > > style, lacking in genuis, and just another indication of Kinbote's
> > > > madness?
> > > > > I've discussed this before (not here) to no avail. Basically what
> >I'm
> > > > asking
> > > > > is this: Did Nabokov himself think the poem Pale Fire was a work
of
> > > > genius?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've read (references elude me now - but something tells me it was
> >Boyd,
> > > > > though not sure) that Pale Fire was actually the best poetry
Nabokov
> > > could
> > > > > write. And as said in Strong Opinions, it was the most trouble
he's
> >ever
> > > > had
> > > > > with a piece of writing. I'm not very good at judging poetry
(almost
> > > never
> > > > > reading it) and certainly not ones this long (a novel in verse?)
can
> > > only
> > > > > give an invalid opinion here. Plae Fire strikes me as somewhat
> > > > typical -the
> > > > > style, the rhyming scheem- it's been done many times before. This
is
> > > > > something not present is Nabokov's novels (though he writes very
> > > > poetical).
> > > > > As you have read, my opinion is weak and can easily be swayed with
> >the
> > > > right
> > > > > arguments. This novel is so beautiful.
> > > > > Dane Gill
> > > > >
> > > > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
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