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----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Bouazza" <mushtary@yahoo.com>
> Dear All,
>
> Please allow me the following observations:
>
> So the very existence of a short story, which it took
> almost a century to unearth (!), is proof of VN's
> "plagiarism"?
> What kind of logic is this: the story exists so VN
> MUST have read it. Is a writer supposed to read
> everything?
>
> Initially, there was the critical suspicion that VN's
> novel had to be autobiographical to some extent; and
> now the same critics can sit back and say "we told you
> so" -whatever they may mean.
>
> A. Bouazza.
>
>
>
> --- "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stringer-Hye, Suellen"
> > <suellen.stringer-hye@vanderbilt.edu>
> > > ---------------- Message requiring your approval
> > (103
> > lines) ------------------
> > > And just when I thought Lolita's fortunes, through
> > the popularity
> > > of "Reading Lolita in Tehran", were turning, comes
> > this nonsense.
> > > Even if it were a borrowed source, could it ever
> > be considered
> > > plagiarism? Does any one think that Melville
> > "plagiarised" "Mocha
> > > Dick, of the Pacific"? to write Moby Dick even
> > though it is widely
> > > considered to have influenced the name?
> > >
> > > Mind numbing inanity to sell papers. It's
> > exhausting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --On Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:00 PM -0800 "D.
> > Barton Johnson"
> > > <chtodel@cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > EDNOTE. NABOKV-L thanks Tina Colquon for the
> > translation.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Tina Colquhoun
> > > > To: 'Vladimir Nabokov Forum'
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:29 PM
> > > > Subject: Lolita was plagiarised
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A very quick, very rough translation of the
> > Norwegian text. It's
> > > > hardly flattering?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Apologies to any Norwegians on the list.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > TA Colquhoun
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BERLIN (VG) It was not a Russian, but a German
> > Nazi who invented
> > > > the Lolita character.
> > > >
> > > > By OLE KRISTIAN STRØM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There is much to indicate this, it seems ? from
> > information dug
> > > > up by Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.
> > > > Vladimir Nabokov, the Russian writer in exile,
> > wrote the novel
> > > > Lolita nearly 50 years ago for which he became
> > famous. But it
> > > > seems now that there is much to suggest that the
> > Russian was
> > > > engaged in plagiarism.
> > > > The newspaper has discovered that the novel,
> > which is about a man
> > > > who becomes infatuated with a 12-year-old girl,
> > may be based on
> > > > an unknown, 18-page German short story from
> > 1916.
> > > > Same plot
> > > >
> > > > Both writers call their characters «Lolita», the
> > plot is the same
> > > > and the cast of characters is largely identical.
> > > > This means that the Russian has plagiarised or
> > at least been
> > > > strongly inspired by a short story by Heinz von
> > Lichberg. The
> > > > main difference between the two works is reputed
> > to be that the
> > > > German described the erotic obsession more
> > (in)discreetly? than
> > > > the Russian did. This is not pleasant
> > considering the fact that
> > > > it was written 40 years earlier and that
> > feelings of public
> > > > decency at that time were stronger.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Von Lichberg was really called von Eschwege and
> > worked for many
> > > > years as a journalist. Among other things he is
> > said to have
> > > > covered the Zeppelin's flight over the Atlantic
> > in 1929. As a
> > > > radio reporter he is said in gripping terms to
> > have described the
> > > > triumphant nazi progress after Adolf Hitler was
> > elected kansler
> > > > in 1933. He also worked for the Nazi paper
> > Völkischer Beobachter
> > > > and afterwards made a career in military
> > intelligence. He was a
> > > > prisoner of war in Britain before he died in
> > 1959 ? five years
> > > > before Nabokov's Lolita was published.
> > > > Filmed twice
> > > >
> > > > Vladimir Nabokov was born in St. Petersburg, but
> > fled Russia
> > > > after the October Revolution. Among other places
> > he lived
> > > > stateless in Berlin for 15 years from 1922 to
> > 1937 and spoke
> > > > perfect German. Lolita from 1956 became a great
> > success, so great
> > > > that the Russian later lived permanently in a
> > hotel in
> > > > Switzerland. He died in 1977.
> > > > Lolita has been filmed twice.. Sue Lyon ? then
> > just 13 years old
> > > > ? had the lead in Stanley Kubrick's film from
> > 1961, while
> > > > Dominique Swan played Lolita in Adrian Lyne's
> > version from 1997.
> > > >
> > > > The State Film Board gave the film an 18
> > certificate, when the
> > > > latter film came out in Norway in 1998. Many
> > feared a
> > > > romanticisation of paedophilia and some even
> > thought that the
> > > > film should be banned. The film's sex scenes are
> > not explicit,
> > > > but there is no doubt about what is going on.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > Stringer-Hye, Suellen
> > > Vanderbilt University
> > > Email: suellen.stringer-hye@Vanderbilt.Edu
>
From: "A. Bouazza" <mushtary@yahoo.com>
> Dear All,
>
> Please allow me the following observations:
>
> So the very existence of a short story, which it took
> almost a century to unearth (!), is proof of VN's
> "plagiarism"?
> What kind of logic is this: the story exists so VN
> MUST have read it. Is a writer supposed to read
> everything?
>
> Initially, there was the critical suspicion that VN's
> novel had to be autobiographical to some extent; and
> now the same critics can sit back and say "we told you
> so" -whatever they may mean.
>
> A. Bouazza.
>
>
>
> --- "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stringer-Hye, Suellen"
> > <suellen.stringer-hye@vanderbilt.edu>
> > > ---------------- Message requiring your approval
> > (103
> > lines) ------------------
> > > And just when I thought Lolita's fortunes, through
> > the popularity
> > > of "Reading Lolita in Tehran", were turning, comes
> > this nonsense.
> > > Even if it were a borrowed source, could it ever
> > be considered
> > > plagiarism? Does any one think that Melville
> > "plagiarised" "Mocha
> > > Dick, of the Pacific"? to write Moby Dick even
> > though it is widely
> > > considered to have influenced the name?
> > >
> > > Mind numbing inanity to sell papers. It's
> > exhausting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --On Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:00 PM -0800 "D.
> > Barton Johnson"
> > > <chtodel@cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > EDNOTE. NABOKV-L thanks Tina Colquon for the
> > translation.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Tina Colquhoun
> > > > To: 'Vladimir Nabokov Forum'
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:29 PM
> > > > Subject: Lolita was plagiarised
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A very quick, very rough translation of the
> > Norwegian text. It's
> > > > hardly flattering?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Apologies to any Norwegians on the list.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > TA Colquhoun
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BERLIN (VG) It was not a Russian, but a German
> > Nazi who invented
> > > > the Lolita character.
> > > >
> > > > By OLE KRISTIAN STRØM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There is much to indicate this, it seems ? from
> > information dug
> > > > up by Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.
> > > > Vladimir Nabokov, the Russian writer in exile,
> > wrote the novel
> > > > Lolita nearly 50 years ago for which he became
> > famous. But it
> > > > seems now that there is much to suggest that the
> > Russian was
> > > > engaged in plagiarism.
> > > > The newspaper has discovered that the novel,
> > which is about a man
> > > > who becomes infatuated with a 12-year-old girl,
> > may be based on
> > > > an unknown, 18-page German short story from
> > 1916.
> > > > Same plot
> > > >
> > > > Both writers call their characters «Lolita», the
> > plot is the same
> > > > and the cast of characters is largely identical.
> > > > This means that the Russian has plagiarised or
> > at least been
> > > > strongly inspired by a short story by Heinz von
> > Lichberg. The
> > > > main difference between the two works is reputed
> > to be that the
> > > > German described the erotic obsession more
> > (in)discreetly? than
> > > > the Russian did. This is not pleasant
> > considering the fact that
> > > > it was written 40 years earlier and that
> > feelings of public
> > > > decency at that time were stronger.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Von Lichberg was really called von Eschwege and
> > worked for many
> > > > years as a journalist. Among other things he is
> > said to have
> > > > covered the Zeppelin's flight over the Atlantic
> > in 1929. As a
> > > > radio reporter he is said in gripping terms to
> > have described the
> > > > triumphant nazi progress after Adolf Hitler was
> > elected kansler
> > > > in 1933. He also worked for the Nazi paper
> > Völkischer Beobachter
> > > > and afterwards made a career in military
> > intelligence. He was a
> > > > prisoner of war in Britain before he died in
> > 1959 ? five years
> > > > before Nabokov's Lolita was published.
> > > > Filmed twice
> > > >
> > > > Vladimir Nabokov was born in St. Petersburg, but
> > fled Russia
> > > > after the October Revolution. Among other places
> > he lived
> > > > stateless in Berlin for 15 years from 1922 to
> > 1937 and spoke
> > > > perfect German. Lolita from 1956 became a great
> > success, so great
> > > > that the Russian later lived permanently in a
> > hotel in
> > > > Switzerland. He died in 1977.
> > > > Lolita has been filmed twice.. Sue Lyon ? then
> > just 13 years old
> > > > ? had the lead in Stanley Kubrick's film from
> > 1961, while
> > > > Dominique Swan played Lolita in Adrian Lyne's
> > version from 1997.
> > > >
> > > > The State Film Board gave the film an 18
> > certificate, when the
> > > > latter film came out in Norway in 1998. Many
> > feared a
> > > > romanticisation of paedophilia and some even
> > thought that the
> > > > film should be banned. The film's sex scenes are
> > not explicit,
> > > > but there is no doubt about what is going on.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > Stringer-Hye, Suellen
> > > Vanderbilt University
> > > Email: suellen.stringer-hye@Vanderbilt.Edu
>