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Re: Fwd: Re: Pale Fire and Crown Jewels/Disa laughs? J-2May
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--- "Donald B. Johnson" <chtodel@gss.ucsb.edu> wrote:
> From: Carolyn Kunin <chaiselongue@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: Carolyn Kunin <chaiselongue@earthlink.net>
Dear Carolyn,
Good, another opportunity to put the answers after the questions,
so the result reads like a narrative. (I think Jansy found this
confusing, but once you try it, Jansy, it's hard to go back.)
> Dear Jansy,
>
> VN's joke is "do not tell it to the Russians" - - mine is "why not tell
> it
> to the Russians" - - two different jokes making the same point I guess.
> But
> since you wish to pursue it further, note another problem with the
> Donohue
> solution. In the novel it is Baron Bland, not the king, who hides the
> jewels. He has a helper - - do we know anymore than this?
I don't think we *know* any more.
> Mr Donohue thinks
> that Steinmann hides the jewels because the king could have signalled to
> him
> from his prison cell - - but the question is who was Bland's helper.
The other reasons to think that Steinmann hid the jewels are that he's
probably the impostor who Charles sees just before seeing the
steinmann, and there's a good chance they're near Kobaltana at the
times. Also that jewels and the crown are mentioned a couple times
within a page of the steinmann. Perhaps that a few pages earlier in
there's a mention of the castle that's also mentioned in the Kobaltana
index entry. (Earlier I didn't think this was a connection, but it is
in the same note as the steinmann, which might be a hint.)
By the way, we're told Paberg is Mt. Peacock and Falkberg is
presumably Mt. Falcon (hence its hood of snow, since falconers hood
their birds--I don't see it as a pearl), but has anyone figured
out Mutraberg? All I can see is an anagram for German "Traum", but
a little more relevance, or another bird, would be nice. ("Mutra"
appears to mean "water" or maybe specifically "urine" in Sanskrit,
for what that's worth.)
> Also is
> Baron Bland the same as Baron B? & does it matter?
I think the answer to both is no. I don't see any resemblances
except for the initial and their old age, and Baron Bland was
dead by mid August 1958 (beginning of note to line 130), while
Baron B. was alive when the Shadows learned that the king was
in Paris (beginning of note to line 286), which was "almost a
whole year" later (beginning of note to line 171).
By the way, thanks for the information on the BBC radio _Pale
Fire_. It's not too bad that you taped over it; I didn't
particularly want to hear it, just to know a little about it.
Jerry Friedman
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> From: Carolyn Kunin <chaiselongue@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: Carolyn Kunin <chaiselongue@earthlink.net>
Dear Carolyn,
Good, another opportunity to put the answers after the questions,
so the result reads like a narrative. (I think Jansy found this
confusing, but once you try it, Jansy, it's hard to go back.)
> Dear Jansy,
>
> VN's joke is "do not tell it to the Russians" - - mine is "why not tell
> it
> to the Russians" - - two different jokes making the same point I guess.
> But
> since you wish to pursue it further, note another problem with the
> Donohue
> solution. In the novel it is Baron Bland, not the king, who hides the
> jewels. He has a helper - - do we know anymore than this?
I don't think we *know* any more.
> Mr Donohue thinks
> that Steinmann hides the jewels because the king could have signalled to
> him
> from his prison cell - - but the question is who was Bland's helper.
The other reasons to think that Steinmann hid the jewels are that he's
probably the impostor who Charles sees just before seeing the
steinmann, and there's a good chance they're near Kobaltana at the
times. Also that jewels and the crown are mentioned a couple times
within a page of the steinmann. Perhaps that a few pages earlier in
there's a mention of the castle that's also mentioned in the Kobaltana
index entry. (Earlier I didn't think this was a connection, but it is
in the same note as the steinmann, which might be a hint.)
By the way, we're told Paberg is Mt. Peacock and Falkberg is
presumably Mt. Falcon (hence its hood of snow, since falconers hood
their birds--I don't see it as a pearl), but has anyone figured
out Mutraberg? All I can see is an anagram for German "Traum", but
a little more relevance, or another bird, would be nice. ("Mutra"
appears to mean "water" or maybe specifically "urine" in Sanskrit,
for what that's worth.)
> Also is
> Baron Bland the same as Baron B? & does it matter?
I think the answer to both is no. I don't see any resemblances
except for the initial and their old age, and Baron Bland was
dead by mid August 1958 (beginning of note to line 130), while
Baron B. was alive when the Shadows learned that the king was
in Paris (beginning of note to line 286), which was "almost a
whole year" later (beginning of note to line 171).
By the way, thanks for the information on the BBC radio _Pale
Fire_. It's not too bad that you taped over it; I didn't
particularly want to hear it, just to know a little about it.
Jerry Friedman
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